Bryan . . . Your question has motivated me to ask myself. . . is this so. This important question is well worth the effort in attempting to reply.
I am experiencing an increased detachment from my "illusionary reality". It is as if I, as the observer of all happening around me, have moved out a greater distance and the ability to be aware more of the programmed patterns occurring in all that I observe has expanded. Sort of like . . . "What's it all about, Alphie? or "Whole . . ee . . shit!" What do I do now?
I now experience decreased attachment, YES, but lost interest, NO!
Labels of any sort . . . meaningless really . . . but we still are using written words as the current method of communication so if I were to put a label on what best describes my situation . . . I would say I was having the experience of a "Separated". . . because (this seemingly aloneness) where I find myself has occurred as results directly related to my individual thought processes. Not intentionally. I am like a living one man band so to speak. No groups ever and no friends for quite some time now. People find me novel at first but lose interest quickly. Point to note how few people enjoy your company if you do not gossip. LOL, indeed. Fortunately I still experience nourishing connections with close family and my special partner. And interesting . . . similar to your explanation of you and Hans . . . we do feel as if we are like one entity . . . in male and female representation . . . more like the yin and yang symbolism. Some male within the female . . . and some female within the male. Does this make sense to you? Often our thoughts occur at the same time . . . like we speak the same phrase simultaneously. How does this happen . . . is another question. So many questions really . . . points to your knowing nothing does it not?
Point to note how few people enjoy your company if you do not gossip. LOL, indeed. Fortunately I still experience nourishing connections with close family and my special partner. And interesting . . . similar to your explanation of you and Hans . . . we do feel as if we are like one entity . . . in male and female representation . . . more like the yin and yang symbolism. Some male within the female . . . and some female within the male. Does this make sense to you? Often our thoughts occur at the same time . . . like we speak the same phrase simultaneously. How does this happen . . . is another question. So many questions really . . . points to your knowing nothing does it not?
nice to hear your experience. yeah..with hans and i we feel completely detached and really can't think of anything we desire other than comfort and some $$ in the bank to provide that. i do connect more now though with children and dogs and tend to ignore the grownups.
interesting your comments about people not enjoying your company if you don't gossip LOL!
we have no connection with our bio-families anymore..that just went naturally...
i understand what you say about male versus female...with hans and i it's as though i'm hearing myself...we provide comfort to each other because we are miserable..we see the same things when viewing others around us...though hans is the more sensible part of the "one entity"..he tends to avoid contact with people and i go off blabbing and end up regretting it later...i must be programmed to be a blabber-mouth...
i have lots of questions...why do we have reverse birthdays? why are their 148 days between our birthdays and that adds up to 13 like our birthdays? why did we meet on a day the numbers add up to 13?
it's sucks because i guess we'll never know answers to our questions until we leave (hopefully)...
my big question is what is the point in all this? if it's illusion it seems all bloody pointless really.
i'm really tired of waking up exhausting and running to the toilet...i really also would like some $$ in the bank so we can at least get close to nature and be by ourselves.
it is as though there is some evil alien playing with us and getting pleasure out of it...
with your male versus female..i have to say that hans does say and do more "female" stereotyped stuff...i tend to mow the lawn and stuff like that...haha..i'm sure he'd love hearing me say that..hahaha
i found your post very interesting...thanks for that..
i'm overheating now with hotflashes and i need to lay down..i'm so exhausted...
So Bryan . . . If I find my self outside of the illusion . . ."outside of the box" so to speak . . . It is possible that I have arrived at exactly where my individual outside of the box mentality and behaviour took me? Certainly not what was expected. But . . . How can I expect anything really. LOL . . . when I do not know what the experience is until I arrive in it. LOL. on me eh. So is this outside of the box experience like the emptiness as you describe your experience it to be? If by chance it is so then I ask . . . how can it be totally empty . . . if you are there . . . and so am I. Could it just be that there is so much emptiness, vastness that the knowing of each other's presence was unknown . . . until we entered back into the box . . . connected by internet . . . and in doing so found each other's presence in the same vastness . . . perhaps . . . the next illusionary frontier?
Only illusionary problem is . . . our illusionary physical body . . . exits within the "boxed" illusionary reality and our observer seems to now exist in the "outsidedness" of the "boxed" illusionary reality. Is this not enough to get anyone irritated. If we were in the box you could say frightened . . . but if fear exists only in the box . . . and you are experiencing mind ideas in the vastness . . . perhaps irritated would be the best descriptive word in an attempt to explain an energetic, time, space, visual, sensual, "illusionary reality" total discombobulation!
I wonder how long it will take for us to purge of all the old programmed illusionary programs? Is it possible? In writing this I find that even in trying to explain the new . . . my methods, words, ideas seem outdated . . . still boxed in so to speak. Bryan . . . you are a door opener . . . and I am grateful. You are like a breath of new air . . . fresh somehow does not do you justice . . . let me say your method . . . even makes the "miss priss" programmed in me smile. LOL!!! (lots of LOVE) couldn't resist . . . the frequency of "illusionary love" still make me smile too!
When I get onto something that resonates with me . . . like it rings of an importance somehow . . . I get heated yes . . . hot flashes, yes . . . red necked and red faced . . . only I call them energy boosts. Lying down I find works . . . allows me to receive the full benefit of it. Now perhaps we have discovered we can share with each other . . . energetically so to speak. LOL.
Bryan . . . after reading our other posts . . . only what we have in common experience is the detachment of the illusion that is repeating itself. Where so far my experience has been of just one illusionary box so to speak . . . now you have a more extensive experience as you now the "observer" or what ever name you give it now observes the shifting from looking into more than one box. Do you have the ability to observe more than one illusionary reality at a time . . . or only one at a time. Are they similar and just distorted or are the total different in illusionary composition?
Regarding your physicalness . . . I can not begin to comprehend what you are experiencing . . . but from what you describe in a measure of uncomfortable my sense of it is it is like at a 20 on a scale of 1 to 10. Did I get close? Mentally uncomfortable as well as physical. Ouch. And being able to be aware of the downhill potential of your experience. What do you to with that? Good question. Frustration +++. Disillusion +++ and having said that could it be that disillusion actually takes us further out and into the vastness?
Bryan . . . you really got me asking myself some new questions.
If it is possible that I could end up where you are . . . what then? Are there new survival rules? The game of survival still exists perhaps . . . but the rules totally unknown.
Or . . . if what you say is so . . . giving up, giving in . . . even surrender . . . is not a part of the new game. What then?
it's all rather simple patricia. it all comes from my experience when i was walking in vancouver. i was walking and talking to my friend. i turned to talk to him and he stopped and so did everyone else as well as the cars and such. there was complete and utter silence. nothing was moving. it was as though my "movie" just stopped.
that's how i knew without this "movie" or illusion there is nothingness. get it? without illusion there is no noise, sound, colors, energy etc.etc. there is only nothingness. silence. that's why as consciousness we "appear to move" from illusion to illusion. from that experience i know.
the other reason i know this is illusion is from my "head stuff"...everything looks fake. i mean everything. but are the other people in the illusion other consciousness or just characters in my film?
there is no end to the questions and there are no answers.
that's why i always come to we are consciousness occupying no space and time and we appear to move from one illusion to the next...and without illusion there is nothingness...no sound, no color, no shape, nothingness
you are correct about the symptoms. the physical symptoms are a 20 on a scale of 1 to 10 and that makes it very trying. it has gotten better though...i've had worse symptoms..
well...what to do with it? physical symptoms with no interest in this illusion and definitely no interest in the EGO stuff of the humans around us.
we are strong and can stay in this illusion if we have the $$ for comfort and distance from humans but without it there is nothing keeping us here.
the new game is about surrender and having no control. that is what we're experiencing.
Bryan . . . are you willing to share the information that you have gathered . . . so that we can connect the dots from our current ego based beliefs to being aware of what you have come to be aware of?
Bryan . . . are you willing to share the information that you have gathered . . . so that we can connect the dots from our current ego based beliefs to being aware of what you have come to be aware of?
i believe that's what i'm doing. i believe i'm "an open book"
really that's all people have....beliefs...but they mean nothing.
all i can share is that based on my "head stuff" and "the movie stopping that one time" is that we are consciousness that occupies no space and time and we "appear to go from one movie to the next"
that's all i know from my "expanded consciousness" or seeing this reality for the illusion that it is.
i even believe that dreams are just more perhaps "programmed illusion"
what is it you are looking for from me? ask and i'll shall answer
Bryan . . . Your question has motivated me to ask myself. . . is this so. This important question is well worth the effort in attempting to reply.
I am experiencing an increased detachment from my "illusionary reality". It is as if I, as the observer of all happening around me, have moved out a greater distance and the ability to be aware more of the programmed patterns occurring in all that I observe has expanded. Sort of like . . . "What's it all about, Alphie? or "Whole . . ee . . shit!" What do I do now?
I now experience decreased attachment, YES, but lost interest, NO!
Labels of any sort . . . meaningless really . . . but we still are using written words as the current method of communication so if I were to put a label on what best describes my situation . . . I would say I was having the experience of a "Separated". . . because (this seemingly aloneness) where I find myself has occurred as results directly related to my individual thought processes. Not intentionally. I am like a living one man band so to speak. No groups ever and no friends for quite some time now. People find me novel at first but lose interest quickly. Point to note how few people enjoy your company if you do not gossip. LOL, indeed. Fortunately I still experience nourishing connections with close family and my special partner. And interesting . . . similar to your explanation of you and Hans . . . we do feel as if we are like one entity . . . in male and female representation . . . more like the yin and yang symbolism. Some male within the female . . . and some female within the male. Does this make sense to you? Often our thoughts occur at the same time . . . like we speak the same phrase simultaneously. How does this happen . . . is another question. So many questions really . . . points to your knowing nothing does it not?
Point to note how few people enjoy your company if you do not gossip. LOL, indeed. Fortunately I still experience nourishing connections with close family and my special partner. And interesting . . . similar to your explanation of you and Hans . . . we do feel as if we are like one entity . . . in male and female representation . . . more like the yin and yang symbolism. Some male within the female . . . and some female within the male. Does this make sense to you? Often our thoughts occur at the same time . . . like we speak the same phrase simultaneously. How does this happen . . . is another question. So many questions really . . . points to your knowing nothing does it not?
nice to hear your experience. yeah..with hans and i we feel completely detached and really can't think of anything we desire other than comfort and some $$ in the bank to provide that. i do connect more now though with children and dogs and tend to ignore the grownups.
interesting your comments about people not enjoying your company if you don't gossip LOL!
we have no connection with our bio-families anymore..that just went naturally...
i understand what you say about male versus female...with hans and i it's as though i'm hearing myself...we provide comfort to each other because we are miserable..we see the same things when viewing others around us...though hans is the more sensible part of the "one entity"..he tends to avoid contact with people and i go off blabbing and end up regretting it later...i must be programmed to be a blabber-mouth...
i have lots of questions...why do we have reverse birthdays? why are their 148 days between our birthdays and that adds up to 13 like our birthdays? why did we meet on a day the numbers add up to 13?
it's sucks because i guess we'll never know answers to our questions until we leave (hopefully)...
my big question is what is the point in all this? if it's illusion it seems all bloody pointless really.
i'm really tired of waking up exhausting and running to the toilet...i really also would like some $$ in the bank so we can at least get close to nature and be by ourselves.
it is as though there is some evil alien playing with us and getting pleasure out of it...
with your male versus female..i have to say that hans does say and do more "female" stereotyped stuff...i tend to mow the lawn and stuff like that...haha..i'm sure he'd love hearing me say that..hahaha
i found your post very interesting...thanks for that..
i'm overheating now with hotflashes and i need to lay down..i'm so exhausted...
thanks again so much for posting!!
bryan
So Bryan . . . If I find my self outside of the illusion . . ."outside of the box" so to speak . . . It is possible that I have arrived at exactly where my individual outside of the box mentality and behaviour took me? Certainly not what was expected. But . . . How can I expect anything really. LOL . . . when I do not know what the experience is until I arrive in it. LOL. on me eh. So is this outside of the box experience like the emptiness as you describe your experience it to be? If by chance it is so then I ask . . . how can it be totally empty . . . if you are there . . . and so am I. Could it just be that there is so much emptiness, vastness that the knowing of each other's presence was unknown . . . until we entered back into the box . . . connected by internet . . . and in doing so found each other's presence in the same vastness . . . perhaps . . . the next illusionary frontier?
Only illusionary problem is . . . our illusionary physical body . . . exits within the "boxed" illusionary reality and our observer seems to now exist in the "outsidedness" of the "boxed" illusionary reality. Is this not enough to get anyone irritated. If we were in the box you could say frightened . . . but if fear exists only in the box . . . and you are experiencing mind ideas in the vastness . . . perhaps irritated would be the best descriptive word in an attempt to explain an energetic, time, space, visual, sensual, "illusionary reality" total discombobulation!
I wonder how long it will take for us to purge of all the old programmed illusionary programs? Is it possible? In writing this I find that even in trying to explain the new . . . my methods, words, ideas seem outdated . . . still boxed in so to speak. Bryan . . . you are a door opener . . . and I am grateful. You are like a breath of new air . . . fresh somehow does not do you justice . . . let me say your method . . . even makes the "miss priss" programmed in me smile. LOL!!! (lots of LOVE) couldn't resist . . . the frequency of "illusionary love" still make me smile too!
When I get onto something that resonates with me . . . like it rings of an importance somehow . . . I get heated yes . . . hot flashes, yes . . . red necked and red faced . . . only I call them energy boosts. Lying down I find works . . . allows me to receive the full benefit of it. Now perhaps we have discovered we can share with each other . . . energetically so to speak. LOL.
Bryan . . . after reading our other posts . . . only what we have in common experience is the detachment of the illusion that is repeating itself. Where so far my experience has been of just one illusionary box so to speak . . . now you have a more extensive experience as you now the "observer" or what ever name you give it now observes the shifting from looking into more than one box. Do you have the ability to observe more than one illusionary reality at a time . . . or only one at a time. Are they similar and just distorted or are the total different in illusionary composition?
Regarding your physicalness . . . I can not begin to comprehend what you are experiencing . . . but from what you describe in a measure of uncomfortable my sense of it is it is like at a 20 on a scale of 1 to 10. Did I get close? Mentally uncomfortable as well as physical. Ouch. And being able to be aware of the downhill potential of your experience. What do you to with that? Good question. Frustration +++. Disillusion +++ and having said that could it be that disillusion actually takes us further out and into the vastness?
Bryan . . . you really got me asking myself some new questions.
If it is possible that I could end up where you are . . . what then? Are there new survival rules? The game of survival still exists perhaps . . . but the rules totally unknown.
Or . . . if what you say is so . . . giving up, giving in . . . even surrender . . . is not a part of the new game. What then?
it's all rather simple patricia. it all comes from my experience when i was walking in vancouver. i was walking and talking to my friend. i turned to talk to him and he stopped and so did everyone else as well as the cars and such. there was complete and utter silence. nothing was moving. it was as though my "movie" just stopped.
that's how i knew without this "movie" or illusion there is nothingness. get it? without illusion there is no noise, sound, colors, energy etc.etc. there is only nothingness. silence. that's why as consciousness we "appear to move" from illusion to illusion. from that experience i know.
the other reason i know this is illusion is from my "head stuff"...everything looks fake. i mean everything. but are the other people in the illusion other consciousness or just characters in my film?
there is no end to the questions and there are no answers.
that's why i always come to we are consciousness occupying no space and time and we appear to move from one illusion to the next...and without illusion there is nothingness...no sound, no color, no shape, nothingness
actually the hot flashes are one of the myriad of symptoms that annoy myself and hans and others i'm sure.
i only observe this illusionary reality.
you are correct about the symptoms. the physical symptoms are a 20 on a scale of 1 to 10 and that makes it very trying. it has gotten better though...i've had worse symptoms..
well...what to do with it? physical symptoms with no interest in this illusion and definitely no interest in the EGO stuff of the humans around us.
we are strong and can stay in this illusion if we have the $$ for comfort and distance from humans but without it there is nothing keeping us here.
the new game is about surrender and having no control. that is what we're experiencing.
it isn't nice.
okay..gotta go to the potty again..sigh...
Bryan . . . are you willing to share the information that you have gathered . . . so that we can connect the dots from our current ego based beliefs to being aware of what you have come to be aware of?
Bryan . . . are you willing to share the information that you have gathered . . . so that we can connect the dots from our current ego based beliefs to being aware of what you have come to be aware of?
i believe that's what i'm doing. i believe i'm "an open book"
really that's all people have....beliefs...but they mean nothing.
all i can share is that based on my "head stuff" and "the movie stopping that one time" is that we are consciousness that occupies no space and time and we "appear to go from one movie to the next"
that's all i know from my "expanded consciousness" or seeing this reality for the illusion that it is.
i even believe that dreams are just more perhaps "programmed illusion"
what is it you are looking for from me? ask and i'll shall answer